E165: The Weirdest Episode I’ve Ever Done — with Therapist Maggie

This episode is unlike anything Tiffany has ever done on The Money Sessions.

A week before recording an entire season of the podcast, Tiffany received a winding, honest email from a therapist named Maggie. Maggie was already charging $250 per session. She had a full practice. On paper, everything looked “successful.”

And yet… something wasn’t right.

Instead of booking a private consult, Maggie made a bold proposal:
What if we recorded the conversation — live — and let listeners hear the decision-making process in real time?

Tiffany said yes.

What follows is a raw, unscripted, fly-on-the-wall conversation where nothing is polished and nothing is hidden. You’ll hear Tiffany think out loud, name unconscious dynamics, challenge money stories, and explore what Life First Fee really means — even (especially) for therapists who “already charge a lot.”

This episode is part money work, part psychoanalytic process, and part mirror.

If you’ve ever wondered:

  • “Is it enough to just raise my fee?”
  • “Why do I still feel anxious even though I’m doing well?”
  • “What if something is still off — even when the numbers look good?”

…this episode is for you.

Listen to the episode:

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In this episode, Maggie and Tiffany explore:

  • Why charging $250/session doesn’t automatically mean you’re living your Life First Fee
  • The difference between saying your fee and actually committing to it
  • What happens when a practice looks ideal on paper but feels unsustainable in the body
  • The hidden cost of seeing 18–20 clients a week — even at high rates
  • How “being busy” can keep you from facing deeper questions about desire and ease
  • Why Maggie’s nervous system — not her spreadsheet — was sounding the alarm
  • The unconscious stories therapists tell themselves about worth, entitlement, and greed
  • How many therapists are closer than they think… but still not in reality

What it really looks like when 100% of your caseload pays your Life First Fee

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Resources mentioned

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More about Tiffany

Tiffany McLain, LMFT is a clinical fee strategist for therapists in private practice. Her mantra is, “Full fees are the new black.” Via her program, The Lean In. MAKE BANK. Academy, she helps therapists ethically earn 30 to 50% more per month while seeing fewer clients by showing them how to think about and directly address fees in a clinically appropriate manner. The Lean In. MAKE BANK. Academy is a program that addresses the underlying money mindset stories that keep therapists broke so they can become THAT therapist who charges premium fees, cash pay. With the LIMB 4-step framework to make BANK, regular coaching calls to help you go to the next level, a phenomenal community of funny and intelligent therapists, be ready to get real raw and real rich.

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